European French bulldog vs American french bulldog

[Gcorondo4]

Hello,

My name is Gabby and I am so excited to add a French bulldog to my family. I have been researching various breeders and was informed by one of them that he only breeds "European" frenchies. Does anyone know the exact difference between europen and American (other than where they come from of course) are there any physical or personality characteristics that are different ? He sent me a picture of the parents and in my opinion they have very bully looking faces, very squished face, and very wide square heads. is this typical of the europen French bull dog ? As you can see in the picture, they look noting like the middle dog ( which he has informed me is the offspring of the two) any comments or info is greatly accepted as I am trying to learn as much as I can about this breed.!

 

[MaplesMommy]

Hi there,

I dont think there is an official difference but usually the european frenchies have longer backs and a little bit more nose and are more 'athletic'.
I fully support that and picked my puppy accordingly.

 

[MaplesMommy]

This is a screen shot of a german frenchy website

You can tell the difference between the american frenchy on the left and the european on the right.

 

[davidh]

Well I don't know the difference either, but from looking at the pic, I have seen better, but it could just be a bad pic too. The pup looks pretty narrow in the face.

 

[Gcorondo4]

"More nose" I do really like the look of a bit more narrow face with a longer nose. Are you saying that euros will have more of this ??

Hi there,

I dont think there is an official difference but usually the european frenchies have longer backs and a little bit more nose and are more 'athletic'.
I fully support that and picked my puppy accordingly.

 

[MaplesMommy]

Here is a pic of my dog

She has a little 'more nose'. As supposed to really flat faces. Show people will hate me for this comment but standard doesnt always mean healthy. I feel bad for those poor frenchies that walk a few meters and are out of breath already because they have such difficulities breathing. Maple can run and play with other (big) dogs and we are even starting agility. And she is able to do all those lovely things because she was bred for health! When you look at breeds with flat faces you will see that originally they all did NOT look like that. They all had more nose.But people starting breeding and focusing on a 'standard' they made up. It became all about looks and not so much about health anymore.

 

[Gcorondo4]

I totally agree with you.! Your pup is gorgeous. And I love her nose ! thank you for the info

 

[shortstuff]

As far as the puppy of those parents go, it's very possible that his/her face will plump out, so to speak. My Bisou came to us with very small lips and a narrower face. Now that she's almost a year old, she looks much more "Frenchie" to me, with a rounder face and droopier jowls. Either way, I love it!

 

[davidh]

OK, from what I have read the UK standard for the body and head are pretty much the same as the US (AKC) standard. Nose is set back. Here is the UK standard.

Head square in appearance and in proportion to dog’s size. Skull nearly flat between ears, domed forehead. The skin covering the skull and forehead should be supple enough to allow fine wrinkling when the dog is alert. Well defined muzzle, broad, deep and set back, muscles of cheeks well developed. Stop well defined. Lower jaw deep, square, broad, slightly undershot and turned up. Nose black and wide, relatively short, with open nostrils and line between well defined. Lips black, thick, meeting each other in centre, completely hiding teeth. Upper lip covers lower on each side with plenty of cushion, never so exaggerated as to hang too much below level of lower jaw.

Here is the AKC standard for the head.

Head large and square. Eyes dark in color, wide apart, set low down in the skull, as far from the ears as possible, round in form, of moderate size, neither sunken nor bulging. In lighter colored dogs, lighter colored eyes are acceptable. No haw and no white of the eye showing when looking forward. Ears Known as the bat ear, broad at the base, elongated, with round top, set high on the head but not too close together, and carried erect with the orifice to the front. The leather of the ear fine and soft. Other than bat ears is a disqualification. The top of the skull flat between the ears; the forehead is not flat but slightly rounded. The muzzle broad, deep and well laid back; the muscles of the cheeks well developed. The stop well defined, causing a hollow groove between the eyes with heavy wrinkles forming a soft roll over the extremely short nose; nostrils broad with a well defined line between them. Nose black. Nose other than black is a disqualification, except in the case of the lighter colored dogs, where a lighter colored nose is acceptable but not desirable. Flews black, thick and broad, hanging over the lower jaw at the sides, meeting the underlip in front and covering the teeth, which are not seen when the mouth is closed. The underjaw is deep, square, broad, undershot and well turned up.

 

[Fosta Mama]

I have limited experience, as all my 14 Frenchies have come via fostering; but to me, the European ( Russian, Hungarian, etc.) ones are larger, longer backed, leggier, and tend to be more dog-aggressive. American Frenchies are smaller and more cobby. Of course, again, this is IMHO.

 

[MaplesMommy]

I have limited experience, as all my 14 Frenchies have come via fostering; but to me, the European ( Russian, Hungarian, etc.) ones are larger, longer backed, leggier, and tend to be more dog-aggressive. American Frenchies are smaller and more cobby. Of course, again, this is IMHO.

I CANNOT second this. Maple is more than socialable and well -behaved with other dogs. Infact she gets super excited when she sees other dogs and gets to play with them. All of her litter mates are the same (we have occassional meet-ups) and her parents are too.
I am originally from Germany,where the european frenchy is the norm and I have yet to see a frenchy misbehave or hear the rumour that they are dog-aggressive.

But we all have our own experiences

 

[CristianL]

I have to agree with Maples Mommy. Pepper is extremely sociable to the point that when passing by other dogs she pulls to play with them no matter the size, color, breed, etc.
As far as the European/American french bulldog lines go, I can say that we've got pepper looking American and she transformed into European
I'll post pictures to see the evolution of her nose and the same goes for her body: she was stubby, short, chubby and transformed to tall, long, lanky. She's only 5 1/2 month so I guess there's time for more changes...although lately she behaves like a cat so God knows what the future has in store for us

 

[Squishy Walnuts]

Wally has Russian bloodlines and I was told that they are generally bigger than American Frenchies. He is much longer with a big head and a defined waist but he does not have a longer nose. His personality is not aggressive and is very playful, even though he tends to piss some dogs off by his enthusiasm. lol!

The pup on the top right of the pic [MENTION=377]MaplesMommy[/MENTION] posted looks like Wally's twin.

 

[davidh]

[MENTION=377]MaplesMommy[/MENTION] So does the Russian or German French bulldog have their own standards or do they us the UK standard? Because the UK standard is pretty much the same as the US standard, as far as head, body and weight. There are a few differences in color and tail.

 

[jacobliebs]

My Grandmother imported from Germany her Frenchie, and all I can really contribute to this is that her Frenchie is massive by the breed standard as a comparison. Felix (his name) is tall and long but also very thick he's pushing 40 pounds and isn't overweight by any stretch. I kind of think Fish will look more European, he is almost 5 months and is still lanky but starting to fill out in the rest of his body.

 

[Frenchie Mommy]

My Wyatt comes from the European line and his back is longer for sure and he's a little taller. Other than that, he still is a Frenchie, very loving.


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[blushy]

Isabelle's mom is American frenchie, her dad is European.

She's leggier, a bit longer backed than I've seen (but still very short) & honestly I like that her nose isn't extremely extremely "smooshed" and she doesn't seem to over heat like the breed is known.

Titan is supposedly half European too.

He has much shorter legs, bigger paws, & from what I can tell a similar snout to isabelle so far...

 

[eeturk]

My Wyatt comes from the European line and his back is longer for sure and he's a little taller. Other than that, he still is a Frenchie, very loving.View attachment 5383


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Hudson too. He has a very similar face to Wyatt and he's also longer backed and legged. He has had no breathing problems, doesnt overheat, and can run around and play for hours with other dogs.


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[Tgirl]

Isabelle's mom is American frenchie, her dad is European.

She's leggier, a bit longer backed than I've seen (but still very short) & honestly I like that her nose isn't extremely extremely "smooshed" and she doesn't seem to over heat like the breed is known.

Titan is supposedly half European too.

He has much shorter legs, bigger paws, & from what I can tell a similar snout to isabelle so far...

Okay, that little Titan picture is just too adorable.

 

[MaplesMommy]

[MENTION=377]MaplesMommy[/MENTION] So does the Russian or German French bulldog have their own standards or do they us the UK standard? Because the UK standard is pretty much the same as the US standard, as far as head, body and weight. There are a few differences in color and tail.

I am not familiar with the official breeding standards. I just googled it and it appears to be pretty much the same. But I did find out that you loose points if the dog cannot breath freely (tight snares). However I couldnt find anything specific to nose/back length. Looking at championship pictures though it is indeed the norm in Europe to have a more 'athletic' looking Frenchy.
I have noticed the same with some horse breeds. Different standards /norms in different countries