Freeze dried or frozen raw diet foods?

[planejane]

I'll be bringing home a Frenchi puppy in a few weeks and will be putting him on prepared raw food, either Primal or Stella and Chewy's since they are what my local feed store carry. Just wondering if one type is ( freeze dried or frozen ) is better , can they be used interchangeably?

 

[eeturk]

I've used both freeze dried and frozen Stella and Chewy's. For us, frozen works a million times better. Freeze dried is great for convenience purposes. I would try it out and see how your puppy responds to each one! All frenchies are different and have different food that works for them.

Stella and Chewy's is a great food. I wish that I had discovered it earlier on! I would've avoided a lot of issues with my little guy.


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[MaplesMommy]

Freeze-dried is a good option if u have to travel and cant take frozen food with you (for example).
Freeze-dried is also a little bit more expensive than frozen and it did go through a little processing (in which they removed the moisture) so its not 'as pure' anymore, however still a great and much healthier alternative to kibble

 

[planejane]

Happy to report I brought my 8 week old puppy home last week. I switched him from Purina Pro Plan to Stella and Chewy's ( using both Freeze dry and frozen ) over 5 days with no problem at all. I also give him a little goats milk and Fish oil. I plan to graduate to true raw once I feel confident I have done my homework on it.

 

[Jakeyjake]

Happy to report I brought my 8 week old puppy home last week. I switched him from Purina Pro Plan to Stella and Chewy's ( using both Freeze dry and frozen ) over 5 days with no problem at all. I also give him a little goats milk and Fish oil. I plan to graduate to true raw once I feel confident I have done my homework on it.

Oh nice, so happy to hear your little pup is doing well on your food choice! Yay!!!!

 

[2bullymama]

Happy to report I brought my 8 week old puppy home last week. I switched him from Purina Pro Plan to Stella and Chewy's ( using both Freeze dry and frozen ) over 5 days with no problem at all. I also give him a little goats milk and Fish oil. I plan to graduate to true raw once I feel confident I have done my homework on it.

Great news... so where are the adorable pictures that we can drool over

 

[MaplesMommy]

Happy to report I brought my 8 week old puppy home last week. I switched him from Purina Pro Plan to Stella and Chewy's ( using both Freeze dry and frozen ) over 5 days with no problem at all. I also give him a little goats milk and Fish oil. I plan to graduate to true raw once I feel confident I have done my homework on it.

Awesome! Great to hear

 

[Kris Thomas LaBounty]

I'll be bringing home a Frenchi puppy in a few weeks and will be putting him on prepared raw food, either Primal or Stella and Chewy's since they are what my local feed store carry. Just wondering if one type is ( freeze dried or frozen ) is better , can they be used interchangeably?

Freeze dried doesn't carry the same bacteria that raw does.

 

[MaplesMommy]

Freeze dried doesn't carry the same bacteria that raw does.

Actually, the raw has been pasteurized, meaning all bacteria has been killed. Its common practise with most commercial raw brands such as Primal, Stella & Chewies, Natures Variety etc

 

[Chan Kai Cheong]

my frenchie switched from kibble to raw diet 3 days ago. he is now on the venison recipe (K9 Naturals).
before the switch I do asked the distributor and the shop (a shop which only good brands could be found, like fromm, primial, K-9, dear deer) for advices
they comment that both freeze dried and frozen are the same (actually I doubt it). However, frozen is more convenient but you will need a strong freezer to keep the food below 18 degree Celsius, otherwise bacteria will be growth very soon.
they also recommend to stay away from treats and do not change to other recipe in the first month before they acidic level and the enzyme of the stomach reach the ideal level. Of course they are business man, you could still take it as your reference.

 

[MaplesMommy]

my frenchie switched from kibble to raw diet 3 days ago. he is now on the venison recipe (K9 Naturals).
before the switch I do asked the distributor and the shop (a shop which only good brands could be found, like fromm, primial, K-9, dear deer) for advices
they comment that both freeze dried and frozen are the same (actually I doubt it). However, frozen is more convenient but you will need a strong freezer to keep the food below 18 degree Celsius, otherwise bacteria will be growth very soon.
they also recommend to stay away from treats and do not change to other recipe in the first month before they acidic level and the enzyme of the stomach reach the ideal level. Of course they are business man, you could still take it as your reference.

Most US brands are pasteurized = all bacteria killed. I am not familiar with K9 raw diets however I think the fact that you have to keep the freezer at a minimum of -18 degrees is a myth. If its not pasteurized, Salmonella etc can only grow at temps between 8-48 degrees, so really as long as you keep it frozen below 0 you should be fine

Great to hear that you switched your dogs diet, though

Oh & the difference between raw & freeze dried is indeed only that they removed all moisture out of the freeze dried. It is (well it should be) the exact same formular you can buy raw, just the 'dry' version of it

 

[Chan Kai Cheong]

Most US brands are pasteurized = all bacteria killed. I am not familiar with K9 raw diets however I think the fact that you have to keep the freezer at a minimum of -18 degrees is a myth. If its not pasteurized, Salmonella etc can only grow at temps between 8-48 degrees, so really as long as you keep it frozen below 0 you should be fine

Great to hear that you switched your dogs diet, though

Oh & the difference between raw & freeze dried is indeed only that they removed all moisture out of the freeze dried. It is (well it should be) the exact same formular you can buy raw, just the 'dry' version of it

both K9 and primal has good reputation in Hong Kong
I can acquire both easily. but since I get in touch with the boss of K9 very easy, therefore I will give it a try first. and it is made from New Zeland.

 

[Chan Kai Cheong]

Freeze-Dried Raw Food for Dogs [Review] ~ Genevieve

this post arise my curiosity between primal and K9

look at the link and the comments of the link
do primal fell on the trap of AAFCO with the artificial supplement as well?

 

[Chan Kai Cheong]

Pet Country | Lake Forest, CA | The Health Food Pet Store - Raw Food Diets

it a link with general summary of different Raw Food Brands
to be very honest, I have more confident on New Zeland than U.S.A. of the topic of grass feed animal

 

[MaplesMommy]

Freeze-Dried Raw Food for Dogs [Review] ~ Genevieve

this post arise my curiosity between primal and K9

look at the link and the comments of the link
do primal fell on the trap of AAFCO with the artificial supplement as well?

In order to be a 'complete' dog food you have to meet AAFCOS minimum requirements on macro and micronutrients. Thats why some formulars contain additional minerals. Customers are super scared of the word 'incomplete' so they would have much less customers if it was all considered 'incomplete'. Primal does however sell Formulas that only contain either 100% meat,bone,organ or that + 15% organic vegetables and fruit.Nothing else added.

Once again, I am not familiar with K9 raw diets.

Anyway, not trying to make one sound better than the other (I feed neither one of the 2 brands).

I am just throwing the information I have out there

 

[eeturk]

I actually just had a long conversation with a dog nutritionist about those two brands. We feed stella & chewy, but I wanted to know if I was missing out on something.

Basically I learned this -- the k9 is super well sourced and has trustworthy ingredients since it is from New Zealand. They HIGHLY recommend that you substitute with marrow bones and the like every day.

Primal is the only brand that has species specific formulas, meaning that they have different foods for cats and dogs. I believe the nutritionist said that cats are complete carnivores and dogs are opportunistic carnivores or something like that, and that's what primal allows for.

We tried both, but unfortunately Hudson wouldn't eat either of them, so we are back to stella & chewy.


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[Kris Thomas LaBounty]

Actually, the raw has been pasteurized, meaning all bacteria has been killed. Its common practise with most commercial raw brands such as Primal, Stella & Chewies, Natures Variety etc

I just lost a whole post I typed you about this subject. One of my complaints about the site is that it logs you out if you take to long to type. It doesn't recognize typing as "activity". I'll come back to it and state my case again when I have more time but how can it be raw if it's pasteurized? Pasteurization uses heat. Pasteurization isn't sterilization, it wasn't designed to kill micro-organisms, only reduce the numbers of pathogens that could make us sick. Originally it was used to to extend the life of beer and wine. We see it used today a lot in dairy to extend it's shelf-life. I have never seen pasteurization used in meats or solid foods. Typically it's used in canned foods and liquids. Salmonella lives in the intestines of animals. It would take sterilization to kill salmonella and sterilization does affect the quality and taste of food. Poultry requires heating to 165, pork 155 and beef products 145. I'll have to come back to this because I have additional points. I see raw as the next new craze.

 

[MaplesMommy]

I just lost a whole post I typed you about this subject. One of my complaints about the site is that it logs you out if you take to long to type. It doesn't recognize typing as "activity". I'll come back to it and state my case again when I have more time but how can it be raw if it's pasteurized? Pasteurization uses heat. Pasteurization isn't sterilization, it wasn't designed to kill micro-organisms, only reduce the numbers of pathogens that could make us sick. Originally it was used to to extend the life of beer and wine. We see it used today a lot in dairy to extend it's shelf-life. I have never seen pasteurization used in meats or solid foods. Typically it's used in canned foods and liquids. Salmonella lives in the intestines of animals. It would take sterilization to kill salmonella and sterilization does affect the quality and taste of food. Poultry requires heating to 165, pork 155 and beef products 145. I'll have to come back to this because I have additional points. I see raw as the next new craze.

I just lost a whole post I typed you about this subject. One of my complaints about the site is that it logs you out if you take to long to type. It doesn't recognize typing as "activity". I'll come back to it and state my case again when I have more time but how can it be raw if it's pasteurized? Pasteurization uses heat. Pasteurization isn't sterilization, it wasn't designed to kill micro-organisms, only reduce the numbers of pathogens that could make us sick. Originally it was used to to extend the life of beer and wine. We see it used today a lot in dairy to extend it's shelf-life. I have never seen pasteurization used in meats or solid foods. Typically it's used in canned foods and liquids. Salmonella lives in the intestines of animals. It would take sterilization to kill salmonella and sterilization does affect the quality and taste of food. Poultry requires heating to 165, pork 155 and beef products 145. I'll have to come back to this because I have additional points. I see raw as the next new craze.

Actually this is incorrect. HPP stands for 'high pressure processing' which means it does not use heat. Here is an informative link What is High Pressure Processing (HPP)?

You can find Salmonella anywhere today and a healthy immune system has no problem with it whatsoever. But note that HPP does also destroy Salmonella pathogens. The great thing about HPP is that its a very short process,using pressure and cold water so no nutrients are destroyed. This is why the pasteurized meat is just as raw as freshly slaughtered meat.
Also, a dogs digestive tract is so much shorter and totally different from a human, thats why they can eat raw meat without problems and humans shouldnt (and yet in some cultures they do and they are fine).

But Salmonella is a complex topic. As mentioned above though, it or traces of it can be found anywhere, infact there has been hundreds of kibble food recalls due to Salmonella contamination.

Raw is not 'the new craze' . Its not a hype. Its about people slowly understanding what real food is and that the 'food' we are surrounded with is in fact not real food anymore (at least in most cases). Our world has never been so toxic before. Obesity and cancer rates are higher than ever before, GMO ,pesticides, toxins EVERYWHERE. Its scary but people are starting to take note of all the research that is out there and are making good decisions for themselves and their fur babies, based on this research. There are so many more people that are going vegan or even raw for themselves, its not a hype but rather an awakening.

P. S I agree, its happened to me before that I wrote a whole paragraph and it was gone So now I always copy the text after a few sentences, just incase it happens again